TESTIMONY OF NANCY MONNELL POWELL (continued 2)

Mr. Griffin. Was he living off her?

Mrs. Powell. Yes.

Mr. Griffin. Was he prostituting her?

Mrs. Powell. I don’t think so; I really don’t know. I didn’t care enough to find out that much. I know she was working over here and riding with me, and he just beat on her, and her pregnant, and I don’t like it. So I can’t like men like that, so I don’t care for him too much. As a matter of fact, I absolutely don’t like him at all.

Mr. Griffin. Did he come back with you in the car?

Mrs. Powell. Back where?

Mr. Griffin. Back to Fort Worth?

Mrs. Powell. Yes; we all three went back and went to that club.

Mr. Griffin. Then did you take them home?

Mrs. Powell. Yes.

Mr. Griffin. Does Bruce have a car?

Mrs. Powell. I think they were supposed to have a car; but it was in the shop or something, because she had been riding with me.

Mr. Griffin. Did you see anybody there at the club that night that works for Jack; friends of Jack?

Mrs. Powell. What club?

Mr. Griffin. The club that you went to with Lynn and Bruce.

Mrs. Powell. No; just about everybody knows Jack. He knows so many people.

Mr. Griffin. Did Bruce make any telephone calls from the club that night?

Mrs. Powell. Not that I recall.

Mr. Griffin. Did Bruce or Lynn ever say anything to you after Jack shot Oswald that indicated what they had done Sunday morning?

Mrs. Powell. No; what did they do Sunday morning?

Mr. Griffin. That is my secret.

Mrs. Powell. Tell me so I will know everything. I know that Jack sent her some money, but I didn’t find out from her.

Mr. Griffin. How did you find out?

Mrs. Powell. I read it in the papers. I know that he sent some money just before he did that. That is what it said. It said everything in the paper.

Mr. Griffin. Did you see Kathy Kay after Jack shot Oswald?

Mrs. Powell. I don’t think I saw her. She came to work in Oklahoma City while I was there. She worked up there with me. But I was there 2 weeks before she came up there. She never went back to the club.

Mr. Griffin. Why didn’t she go back?

Mrs. Powell. Because she didn’t want to. Because for one thing, she had this boy friend that she had been going with that was a policeman, and they were going to get married, and his parents didn’t know she was an exotic, and her parents didn’t know she was an exotic—and there was some guy from England—reporters came to her apartment and wanted to interview her, and she didn’t want her family in England to know she is an exotic dancer, and she didn’t want to be involved in it.

Mr. Griffin. What did she tell you about her contacts with Jack over the weekend?

Mrs. Powell. I don’t recall that she told me anything about it. She was planning on going back to work when he opened the club, but before he opened the club, he did this other thing, so she never did go back. She told Ralph that she wasn’t going to come back.

Mr. Griffin. How about her husband?

Mrs. Powell. Whose?

Mr. Griffin. Kathy’s husband?

Mrs. Powell. She wasn’t married then.

Mr. Griffin. You mean she—the guy she did marry, this fellow?

Mrs. Powell. That is what they said.

Mr. Griffin. You mean she was living with him as man and wife?

Mrs. Powell. Yes; I guess they got married. They said they got married.

Mr. Griffin. Was he up there in Oklahoma City with her?

Mrs. Powell. No; he stayed here.

Mr. Griffin. Do you have any information as to how Jack got into the basement of the police department?

Mrs. Powell. No; but he could get in anywhere.

Mr. Griffin. Do you have any information that anybody helped him?

Mrs. Powell. No; I don’t think anybody helped him. You just have to know him. He is probably a lot different now than he was, but if you had known him the way I knew him, and a lot of people knew him, he would do anything. They would have a ball game here every year, Texas-Oklahoma, and it sold out a year in advance, and all the tickets are sold the day before the game and he said, “I am going to the Texas-O.U. game.”

And I said, “How will you get in?”

And he said, “I will get in.”

And they are taking this guy off to jail, and as he passes by, the guy hands him the ticket, and they are selling the tickets for $25 apiece, and you can’t get them.

Mr. Griffin. Do you have any information as to anything he told about what he planned to do?

Mrs. Powell. No.

Mr. Griffin. Did Ralph ever say anything which indicated——

Mrs. Powell. Ralph did not know. I know that Ralph didn’t know he was planning to do that, or Ralph would have tried to stop him. I know Ralph felt badly because Jack wanted to go out and he didn’t go, and then he felt badly because he felt like if he had gone, maybe Jack would have confided in him and he could have prevented it.

Mr. Griffin. How about Little Lynn?

Mrs. Powell. She didn’t know anything.

Mr. Griffin. What makes you say that?

Mrs. Powell. Because after she spoke to Jack, on the way home she didn’t offer any comments or anything about why she thought he was acting that way. She didn’t know any more than anybody else.

Mr. Griffin. She hadn’t told you that she learned anything later after she left you?

Mrs. Powell. No; she hadn’t. I don’t know where she learned it from, because I took her home, and they don’t have a car, and it was 12 o’clock and the buses weren’t running.

Mr. Griffin. I am going to ask you if this diagram, which I have previously marked as Exhibit No. 1, is a reasonably accurate diagram, if you will sign that?

Mrs. Powell. Do you want me to sign Nancy Powell or Tammi True?

Mr. Griffin. Which name do you like to sign?

Mrs. Powell. It doesn’t make any difference to me.

Mr. Griffin. Why don’t you sign Nancy Powell.

Mrs. Powell (signs name).

Mr. Griffin. Is there anything else, Nancy, that you think we haven’t covered that might be of use to us?

Mrs. Powell. I don’t know. We’ve spent a lot of time here.

Mr. Griffin. Who was the girl that Jack thought had class?

Mrs. Powell. Bell Praperall, was the girl he thought had so much class. And she came up to the club the last time I saw her, and she was drunk out of her mind, talking terribly vulgar, like some streetwalker, but this girl had class. She did. But Jack made the mistake of telling her that she had class, and boy, I am telling you, she talked there around like something else, but she didn’t end up with much class.

Mr. Griffin. Let me ask you to do one more thing. I am going to hand you what I have marked as Nancy Powell Deposition, July 25, 1964, Exhibit No. 2. It is a copy of an interview that two FBI agents, Glenn Silvi and Dave Byerly had with you on November 29, 1963, in Oklahoma City. I want to hand it to you and ask you to read it and tell us whether that is an accurate report of what you told them on that occasion?

Mrs. Powell (reading report). Well, I didn’t say that he had never associated. We went into discussion about these carnival people, and he had some dealings with some carnival people at one time. But I mean——

Mr. Griffin. You are referring to the sentence that says, “She said Ruby was not, to her knowledge, a gambler, and to her knowledge, never associated with carnival people?”

Mrs. Powell. Yes; because at one time he had invested in a carnival show. They asked me if I knew this Slayton, and I told him I thought I knew him. Down here it says I said that I believed Ruby formerly had an associate named Joe Slayton. They asked me if I knew Joe Slayton, and I said I thought I did, that I thought he was a partner or something at one time. I never knew Joe Slayton at all.

Mr. Griffin. Let me ask you, then, if you don’t have any other questions in that, to sign that.

Mrs. Powell. I don’t like the way they said that, “An acquaintance with an exotic dancer.” Where do you want me to sign this?

Mr. Griffin. Up at the top.

Mrs. Powell. Right here?

Mr. Griffin. Yes.

Mrs. Powell (signs).

Mr. Griffin. I am going to hand you what I have marked as Nancy Powell Deposition, July 25, 1964, Exhibit No. 3. That is a 3-page document which is a report of an interview that two FBI agents, Gary K. Wilson and Joseph G. Peggs, had with you on November 24 in Dallas.

Mrs. Powell. I sure wish I had a cigarette. I didn’t know really I was going to be up here 10 hours. Very well, where do you want me to sign this?

Mr. Griffin. Sign on the first page at the top.

Mrs. Powell (signs name).

Mr. Griffin. Would you initial each of the other pages?

Mrs. Powell (initials).

Mr. Griffin. Okay. Do you have any questions, Tammi?

Mrs. Powell. No.

Mr. Griffin. I want to thank you very much for spending all this time and coming all the way from Oklahoma City.

Mrs. Powell. Well, tonight I will hate you. A little later I will be real mad.

Mr. Griffin. Are you working tonight?

Mrs. Powell. Sure. I didn’t get off until 3 o’clock this morning.

Mr. Griffin. Are you going to be able to make it back?

Mrs. Powell. I have to do three shows tonight. I will get back just in time to go to work, and I have to do three shows. I don’t have to work tomorrow, though, Sunday. I am going to rest up all day and go out and see all the other people that have to work on Sunday. And I have to write a letter to the Commission.