TESTIMONY OF FRANKIE KAISER RESUMED

The testimony of Frankie Kaiser was taken at 3:40 p.m., on April 8, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Joseph A. Ball, assistant counsel of the President's Commission.

Mr. Ball. Frankie, we have already taken your deposition and I just wanted to ask you a few more questions and you are still under oath.

Mr. Kaiser. Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball. Now, Frankie, that clipboard you found describe it—what was it?

Mr. Kaiser. It was made out of paper and tape and a little piece of pasteboard.

Mr. Ball. Who made it?

Mr. Kaiser. I did.

Mr. Ball. When?

Mr. Kaiser. Well, right after I started there—it had been a long time ago.

Mr. Ball. And how was it you weren't using it on this day?

Mr. Kaiser. You see, when he first started there——

Mr. Ball. Who is "he"?

Mr. Kaiser. Lee—when he first started to work there he got my clipboard and started using it.

Mr. Ball. Did you give it to him to use?

Mr. Kaiser. No, he just picked it up and started using it and I just went and made me another one.

Mr. Ball. You recognized that clipboard when you saw it?

Mr. Kaiser. Yes, because my name was all over it.

Mr. Ball. Your name was on it, too?

Mr. Kaiser. Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball. You put your name "Frankie Kaiser" on it?

Mr. Kaiser. You see, it don't do no good to get a clipboard around here—everybody is always running off with it.

Mr. Ball. That's the reason you put your name on it?

Mr. Kaiser. He come up and got it and started using it and I just let him keep it and made me another one.

Mr. Ball. Now, here is a picture which is marked in a group of pictures as No. 36, but which I will mark as Exhibit A to your deposition.

(Instrument marked by the reporter as Kaiser Exhibit A, for identification.)

Mr. Ball. Does this show the place where the clipboard was found, or do you know?

Mr. Kaiser. It wasn't found there—it was found on the floor.

Mr. Ball. Where on the floor?

Mr. Kaiser. Behind these cartons—between there and the wall.

Mr. Ball. Behind which cartons?

Mr. Kaiser. Right in here (indicating).

Mr. Ball. Which cartons—it was found behind—are the cartons in the picture—it wasn't found where it is circled there?

Mr. Kaiser. It wasn't found where it circled—there—it was found on the floor.

Mr. Ball. Put a big "X" on the carton behind which it was found.

Mr. Kaiser. I'll put it on this one—it was found between that and the wall. (Witness placed "X" on the pictures requested by Counsel Ball.)

Mr. Ball. You have marked an "X" on the carton—between that carton and the wall the clipboard was found.

Mr. Kaiser. Yes, between these row of cartons right over there.

Mr. Ball. Now, did you later find clothing?

Mr. Kaiser. I just found the coat there—I didn't even know it was his until somebody told me it was. I thought they were kidding.

Mr. Ball. This is Commission Exhibit 163—do you recognize that blue jacket?

Mr. Kaiser. That's the one I found.

Mr. Ball. Where did you find it—tell me first.

Mr. Kaiser. It was in the window sill.

Mr. Ball. In what room?

Mr. Kaiser. In the domino room.

Mr. Ball. Now, I show you a picture, No. 17, this is marked—does this show the window?

Mr. Kaiser. Right down in here.

Mr. Ball. There is a jacket showing in that window, is that where the jacket was found?

Mr. Kaiser. Yes, sir; but it was laying behind this in the window.

Mr. Ball. It wasn't found in the position of the jacket shown in the picture?

Mr. Kaiser. No; it sure wasn't.

Mr. Ball. But was it the same window?

Mr. Kaiser. Yes.

Mr. Ball. And the window sill is shown there too?

Mr. Kaiser. Yes; it is.

Mr. Ball. I show you a picture which is marked Exhibit 18, does this show the place where the jacket was found?

Mr. Kaiser. Right over in here.

Mr. Ball. Where—put an "X" there—it's in the window sill?

Mr. Kaiser. Right.

(Marked diagram with an "X".)

Mr. Ball. There is an Exhibit 17, which shows the corner of the domino room and the window and it is marked as Exhibit B and the picture marked No. 18, which shows the window sill, bearing an "X" placed there by the witness, and is marked as Exhibit "C". Will you initial that "C" please?

Mr. Kaiser. (Initialed instrument as requested.)

Mr. Ball. That's "FK".

I believe we are through, now, Frankie, thank you very much.

Mr. Kaiser. That's all right.

Mr. Ball. You'll waive this signature too?

Mr. Kaiser. Yes.

(Instruments marked by the reporter as Kaiser Exhibits B and C, for identification.)